The Sixth Sense (1999)
The Sixth Sense, a film masterfully crafted by M. Night Shyamalan, serves as the focal point of our discourse today. This cinematic gem, which debuted on August 6, 1999, intricately weaves a narrative centered around a child psychologist who, after experiencing a traumatic encounter, seeks redemption through the treatment of a young boy harboring a harrowing secret. Both the film's storyline and its profound character development compel us to explore the thematic depths of fear, acceptance, and the complexities of human connection. We delve into the remarkable performances of the cast, particularly the young prodigy, Haley Joel Osment, whose portrayal of a tormented child elevates the film to unparalleled heights. As we dissect the layers of this iconic thriller, we invite you to join us in reflecting on the film's enduring impact on the genre and its narrative brilliance, while pondering how it continues to resonate with audiences today.
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It's phenomenal that you can get to an at the end of a two hour movie and go, what?
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Speaker A:God, I should not have missed that.
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Speaker A:Week two of March Thriller March the Sixth Sense is what we're we're talking about today.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was written and directed by M. Night Shyamalan and it's, it's very well done jj.
Speaker A:I made it through.
Speaker A:I was afraid I was gonna say like shame a ding dong or the other one that I won't say here because it's slightly offensive.
Speaker A:But yeah, I guess I his name up purposefully and on accident many times.
Speaker A:But M. Night Shyamalan did write and direct it stars Bruce Willis, Haley Joel Osment, Tony Collette, Olivia Williams, Trevor Morgan, Donnie Wahlberg, Jeffrey Zernus and Peter Anthony Timbakis.
Speaker A:It is about, oh don't forget Misha Barton.
Speaker A:It's about.
Speaker A:After being shot by a resentful former patient whom he failed to help, a Philadelphia child psychologist seeks redemption by treating a young boy with a disturbing secret.
Speaker A:This is a pretty good synopsis that
Speaker B:does a really good job actually.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I am dying, dying to hear why this made the list because this was not something I ever expected for Alec to put on the voting list.
Speaker B:Victory means more.
Speaker A:Only reason to Shay to say yeah it was.
Speaker B:That was the only reason was I knew knew if I put this one on there I'd win.
Speaker B:And in my mind when I'm picking video movies now, I, I knew if I, if I picked this one I would at least guarantee to tie in March.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's all I was after.
Speaker B:And then I took a gamble on my third pick which we're doing next week.
Speaker B:But this is one and there's, there's only really about five minutes that I, I am, you know, just terrified.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's the scene where he's at the party, he gets locked in the dungeon.
Speaker B:That, that just messed up but that gets me.
Speaker B:And then when we see what his life is like the very first time where he can't really get out of bed without running into some spirit or the other and the thermostat goes to cold and I'm just like.
Speaker B:And the problem that I, I love about this movie and I hate at the same time as Haley Joel Austin, no 9 year old kid should be that good.
Speaker B:Phenomenal.
Speaker B:And I hate it because he makes it more real.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can see the terror in his eyes.
Speaker B:You can see the fear.
Speaker B:You can see the joy, the happiness, the.
Speaker B:I mean, it's.
Speaker B:No nine year old should be able to do that.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He is the best actor in this movie and he.
Speaker A:That's saying something.
Speaker B:That is saying something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:When.
Speaker B:When you are sharing the screen with Bill Willis, Bruce Willis that, you know, you shouldn't be able to take over the.
Speaker B:The scene, especially not when you're nine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And dude just pulls it out.
Speaker B:So phenomenal.
Speaker B:But the fact that it's so real and like even.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like M. Night's one of those directors where when he gets it wrong, it is really bad, but when he gets it right, it is gold.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so everything like, ties back in this movie and even little things that are played off as a joke or this or that come back to like have a reason for being there.
Speaker B:And so like the, the one that popped into my mind.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because this is for spoiler alert.
Speaker B:I've only seen this twice and once was yesterday.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:But like early on in the movie, you know, Haley Joel Osmond just swipes statue Frank from the church.
Speaker B:It's played a little bit as a joke, but also to kind of be like, hey, this kid's got problems.
Speaker B:Only to realize that, no, this kid is living a literal nightmare day after day.
Speaker B:And he's swiping these religious statues because he's doing the Benny from the Mummy.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Where he's just covering all of his bases so that he can hide in his tent and hope that these vengeful, in many cases, spirits are just going to leave him alone.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it is just.
Speaker B:Oh, it's just.
Speaker B:It's so well done and.
Speaker B:But there's about five minutes in this movie where I am just looking through my fingers is how I'm watching it because I'm like, I know the jump scare is coming, but it's.
Speaker B:It's so.
Speaker B:That part.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But the rest of it's so good.
Speaker B:Oh, it's so good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That is hard not to like.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:Listen, I love this movie.
Speaker A:It's always been one of my favorites.
Speaker A:M. Night Shyamalan is like such a conundrum for me because he did so good early on and you know, this movie launched his career like crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then he followed it up with arguably a better movie that did not get the same amount of love until later when he made when he brought back the universe of Unbreakable.
Speaker A:But Unbreakable to me, I Think the Unbreakable twist may be better.
Speaker A:It's at the very same level as this one.
Speaker A:But I will say that I remember going to the theater as an 18 year old kid for this movie and I just graduated high school and I was like, what the.
Speaker A:When you get to the end and.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:I think we can both attest.
Speaker A:I'm pretty good at figuring out twists.
Speaker A:I may not always figure them out perfectly, but I'm pretty good.
Speaker A:This one blindsided the out of me.
Speaker A:I was not prepared.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I'm with you.
Speaker A:I think I have always wondered, why did I not catch it?
Speaker A:Because if you go back and re watch it, it's so easy to see like when you watch it.
Speaker A:That's only one of the only problems that I have with this film.
Speaker A:And any film that has this level of like twist to it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Is once you go back and rewatch it because you know there's a certain level of degradation that happens with the enjoyment of the film because you can't.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:You'll never have that experience again.
Speaker A:Which is unfortunate.
Speaker A:However, this movie, because it's so simple to see the second time around.
Speaker A:I've often asked myself, why did I miss it so bad the first time?
Speaker A:And what you just talked about with Haley Joel Osment and Bruce Willis and even Toni Collette, who is also a phenomenal actress in her own right and very good in this movie as his mother is.
Speaker A:They distract you from what's actually happening because.
Speaker A:And I, and I can say that and I believe this wholeheartedly because of the amount of films.
Speaker A:And again, I watched this two days ago for like the millionth time.
Speaker A:And watching Bruce Willis have conversations with living people.
Speaker A:Spoiler alert.
Speaker A:He's dead.
Speaker B: But: Speaker A:Yeah, go off or go watch it and then off but.
Speaker A:Or off and go watch it, whichever choice you want to make.
Speaker A:But the fact that he's dead, right.
Speaker A:He's a ghost.
Speaker A:And we're see, he's the only ghost we see outside of Haley Joel Osment.
Speaker A:But the conversations that he's having with people that are living, specifically his wife, who he has quite a few with that the way that they time it perfectly is the first time you watch it, you're like, oh, they're just having a conversation.
Speaker A:They're in a rough patch of their marriage.
Speaker A:The dude got shot.
Speaker A:He hasn't been the same since.
Speaker A:No shit's weird, right?
Speaker A:So it's believable.
Speaker A:And then there was the one early on, when you first meet Haley Joel Osment and he's like with the patient or something and then like he's sitting with somebody across him and the dude just gets up.
Speaker A:But it feels natural, like it's over because the timing's perfect.
Speaker A:It's immaculate the way that they lay it out.
Speaker A:But when you re watch it, you're like, how did I not notice that the conversations don't actually line up that well.
Speaker A:Like he'll say some to his wife and she'll answer and you're like, how'd we get there after you know the secret.
Speaker A:When you don't know it, it's just, it's a testament to his writing when he.
Speaker A:When to your point, when he gets it right.
Speaker A:And he really gets it right in this movie, probably better in that respect than any other movie he's ever done.
Speaker A:Because it's phenomenal that you can get to an end, the end of a two hour movie and go, what?
Speaker A:And then go back and watch it and go, God damn it.
Speaker A:I should not have missed that.
Speaker B:I'm gonna.
Speaker B:One step further.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So this ties it all back in because we get the secret early on.
Speaker B:And it's when Haley Joel Osment tells us that the ghosts only see what they want to see.
Speaker B:We do the same exact thing.
Speaker B:So every single time he goes for the door, Right.
Speaker B:It's locked.
Speaker B:We see him reaching his pocket.
Speaker B:We never see him actually open the door.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And if you go back and watch it, every single interaction when he, when Haley Joel walks in his house and they're both sitting down the chairs, mom never looks at Bruce Willis.
Speaker B:Never once.
Speaker B:So we're doing the same exact thing that these ghosts are doing throughout the movie, which is only seen what we want to see and not connecting all the dots that are there to connect.
Speaker B:Or it's, it's, it's, it's a phenomenal.
Speaker B:Because it's, it's taking something in movies that we do, which is we take a little bit of information and we build in or fill in the blanks of where it is.
Speaker B:And this movie exploits that.
Speaker B:It exploits all those little blanks that we're filling in.
Speaker B:And that's why the twist comes so just absolutely in a hurry.
Speaker B:And now all of a sudden we see the reason why his wife is constantly bundled up.
Speaker B:It's cold.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's cold because of him.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:She's bundled up.
Speaker B:Every single time he's trying to talk to her.
Speaker B:She's always wrapped in extra blanket or this or that.
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker B:It's the fact that we are seen not even necessarily what we want to see.
Speaker B:We're seeing what we're being presented with, and we're not asking any questions in between one.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And it's so brilliantly and so well done.
Speaker B:But it's also.
Speaker B:He gives you the answer.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, yeah, minute mark 25 or something.
Speaker B:Like, it's very early in this movie where he tells you exactly what is.
Speaker B:What the reason is, and then it is all let out.
Speaker B:And I really like the fact that he doesn't drag it out at the end.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like a minute and a half tops, of the realization that happens.
Speaker B:And so by the time you're, like, still trying to process it, movie's done.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's so well done that it just.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's hard to keep heaping praise on this because he's done a lot of crap too.
Speaker B:But this is.
Speaker B:Is amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Start to finish.
Speaker A:Oh, for sure.
Speaker A:And it, you know, God, it.
Speaker A:It is so.
Speaker A:And then you have this story inside the story, right.
Speaker A:With him.
Speaker A:Haley Joel Osment, because Bruce Willis is the main character.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:He just is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But to your point, his acting is so good and they give him a.
Speaker A:And I love that he's not just a piece of.
Speaker A:Of Bruce Willis's story.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He has his own story going on at the same time.
Speaker A:And I think that that's another piece of brilliance that you get, is that you think that you're figuring out, like, the pieces that Bruce Willis character has to help Haley Joel Osmond's character out with.
Speaker A:By seeing these little scenes.
Speaker A:But what he's doing is he's distracting you from Bruce Willis because we have all these scenes that don't involve Bruce Willis's character, because you can only maintain that lie and that deception for so long because the more he's in it, the more opportunity you have to figure it out, because there's only so much that you can do without interactions with anyone else.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Or the same interaction over and over again.
Speaker A:That's only possible with his wife.
Speaker A:And so it's like the genius of having this secondary story that's almost its own main character side by side with the other to keep the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:The two of them off screen or keep Bruce Willis off screen by himself or with other people.
Speaker A:As little as possible.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's so smart.
Speaker A:It's just genius.
Speaker A:The way he puts it.
Speaker A:All together.
Speaker A:But then Haley Josment carries it like I get so fucking excited.
Speaker A:And the one that blows my mind and pisses me off about myself.
Speaker A:The worst is the funeral scene because one, it's immaculate.
Speaker A:The fact that this kid is there and you're like, holy.
Speaker A:Get this.
Speaker A:This dirty ass woman that's been put.
Speaker A:Oh, like he's just so mad.
Speaker A:Because I think that level of.
Speaker A:And listen, I know Munchausen syndrome by proxy is a real thing and it is an actual mental problem and there people should be treated for it.
Speaker A:And I'm not vic.
Speaker A:I'm not villainizing people with that disorder, but I am villainizing this mother.
Speaker A:Like, I don't.
Speaker A:You cannot.
Speaker A:Because that's designed to do that, right?
Speaker A:And that level of Munch Housing syndrome by proxy, to kill one daughter and working on the second.
Speaker A:Jesus Christ.
Speaker A:And to watch that play out is wild to me.
Speaker A:And I'm like, yes, you're rooting for him.
Speaker A:And yet it's one of the most emotional.
Speaker A:Like the dad.
Speaker A:And he hand.
Speaker A:Like the only part I'm getting like choked up just thinking about it.
Speaker A:Because like you see this kid doing something that's so good around something that's so horrifying.
Speaker A:And then you have the mirror of it when he's sitting in the car with his mother and the accident happens and he finally confesses to his mom and is able to prove it because he's not afraid of it as.
Speaker A:As afraid of it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And he needs.
Speaker A:He's also realized he no longer is going to have Bruce Willis's character there to help him and go through this.
Speaker A:So he needs that support system so he's got to tell his mom.
Speaker A:So all of these just winding threads that you have to unravel.
Speaker A:And in reality, you could have ended it without that piece, right?
Speaker A:Like you could have ended the movie without him talking to his mother.
Speaker A:But I feel like that just adds that extra level of.
Speaker A:Of beauty to this movie because it ties that well.
Speaker A:What's he going to do now?
Speaker A:Bruce Willis helped him be not afraid.
Speaker A:He's nine.
Speaker A:He can't do that long term by himself when you think about that realistically.
Speaker A:But now his mother knows and believes him because he is able to talk about his grandmother.
Speaker A:And like I.
Speaker A:It just.
Speaker A:All the pieces come together so well in this movie and the writing is just absolutely genius and phenomenal.
Speaker A:And then the acting it took to pull it off and the filmography that it also took to p. Pull it off.
Speaker A:I don't know that we'll have another movie that is on the same par across the board as this movie.
Speaker A:And I'm not saying it's the greatest movie ever made.
Speaker A:That's just not.
Speaker A:I, I'll never say any movie is the greatest movie ever made.
Speaker A:To in general might be the greatest movie I've ever seen.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Which I'm not saying about this either.
Speaker A:But I'm saying it's up there.
Speaker A:And I, I have a hard time with anybody.
Speaker A:I've never heard anybody, but I have a hard time with anybody that might say that this movie sucks because I don't.
Speaker A:That doesn't fit in my brain because of the level of, of complexity and depth that this movie has.
Speaker B:I would say that the only way I could see that is if they're watching it much later with all the spoilers out there.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Social media and everything like that.
Speaker B:Because if you know the twist before you watch it in its entirety, you're picking apart this.
Speaker B:And yeah, it's your nitpicking.
Speaker B:And so from that point.
Speaker B: again, because it was made in: Speaker B:You had to go to the theaters or rent it in order to see it.
Speaker B:And so you're having to watch it all the way through.
Speaker B:And it's, it's strength is, it's as a unit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because, you know, you even talked about when he's confessing everything to his mom, telling her about his, you know, what he sees and everything.
Speaker B:It's the grandma's what sells it.
Speaker B:But having her be open to it is shown at the beginning of the movie again, when she's looking at the pictures and she notices that there's always this little flare and he's not.
Speaker B:And again, they got pictures and Haley Joel Osman's character, never looking at the camera, always looking at the, the flare that's going.
Speaker B:And so that's, that's put in there specifically as a hint to us.
Speaker B:But it also helps serve at the end where, you know, the reason why she's even receptive to listen in the first place is because she's noticing weird things that are happening and then the grandma is what seals the deal.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And can I say listen?
Speaker A:You know, everybody, if you've listened to any of this podcast over the years, and Alec knows that I love horror films.
Speaker A:I love scary.
Speaker A:This is up there for me.
Speaker A:Like there I was in the theater and I was genuinely creeped out because of how realistic it is with the ghosts.
Speaker A:We're not talking about some demonic mama or you know what I mean?
Speaker A:These are people who had traumatic happen in their death and in their life and are trying to figure out on the other side, right?
Speaker A:That's believable as goddamn all get out to me.
Speaker A:And so when we start seeing like the scene in the kitchen, God damn it, that still I'm getting goosebumps just talking about it because that freaks me out.
Speaker A:Because that I believe 100.
Speaker A:Like I watch a Freddy Krueger movie, whatever.
Speaker A:I watch a Jason Voorhees movie, Get the out of here.
Speaker A:Except for the first one because I could see a crazy mom murdered, a bunch of counselors that let their kid die.
Speaker A:Second of all, I, I, I look at movies like even some of like the more modern films like we've done, like the one where they shake the hand like,
Speaker B:talk to me.
Speaker A:Yeah, talk to me.
Speaker A:Like all that stuff, like those are creepy.
Speaker A:But there's still a level of like, that's a little far fetched for me, right?
Speaker A:This to me is one of the most believable scary movies that are out there.
Speaker A:Because it's not overdone, it's not done with gore.
Speaker A:It's the only gore you see is to show that this person's dead, right?
Speaker A:And, and how they died.
Speaker A:And so it's one of those things where I'm like, it's so believable.
Speaker A:And then the fact that there's, there's that the anger piece they get, it's colder when they're more pissed off, right?
Speaker A:And so you're like that manipulation of the elements by a spiritual or an energy entity, right?
Speaker A:Like it's so smart and so believable that I'm like, I can't argue that it's not some level of truth which makes those ghosts terrifying.
Speaker A:Because every time I get cold out of the blue, I'm like, now go away.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, I was warm 30 seconds ago.
Speaker A:What just happened?
Speaker A:Why are you here and why are you pissed?
Speaker A:I didn't do anything to you.
Speaker A:Go away.
Speaker A:So I always like knowing your disdain for scary.
Speaker A:This movie had to have with you.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:You watched it first time I watched it, yes.
Speaker B:Because like I, I'm a little bit to the opposite where the demonic that you know, can't be real is what scares me the most.
Speaker B:Because what if it is sure versus this the one that the part that gets me is always the unknown.
Speaker B:So that's what really gets me.
Speaker B:So when he gets up in the middle of the night, right, you can see he's terrified.
Speaker B:Just to go.
Speaker B:Go pee.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the image that we get is the thermostat going down.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh.
Speaker B:And then we get the walking by.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:Boom, jump scare.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm jumping.
Speaker B:And then, you know, the fact that it's almost one on top of the other.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because we see scary lady.
Speaker B:And then we get, you know, kid who's looking for his dad's gun and all these other things.
Speaker B:And then we get the girl from the funeral.
Speaker B:And so now you realize this dude is getting ambushed pretty much by these spirits.
Speaker B:They're constantly seeking him out.
Speaker B:They're finding him.
Speaker B:He has no rest, no sanctuary.
Speaker B:And that's what gets me, because I'm one of those people where, you know, haunted house.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:Not going in.
Speaker A:Problem solved.
Speaker B:Thank you, goodbye.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I gotta grab the hand and say line to.
Speaker B:In order to meet the demon.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Not doing it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker B:I win.
Speaker B:I won the game.
Speaker B:I figured out the fact that this.
Speaker B:That they can come find him.
Speaker B:That's what's terrifying to me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because you aren't safe.
Speaker B:You don't have to go instigate.
Speaker B:This kid was born this way.
Speaker B:And we clearly see that it's been happening his entire life.
Speaker B:He has not had, like, a minute of peace.
Speaker B:Because there's these spirits that don't know that they're dead, but all they really know is that he can interact with them and that's what they're doing.
Speaker B:And, you know, he's terrified.
Speaker B:He doesn't know how to get rid of them.
Speaker B:So it's just stacking up, stacking up.
Speaker B:Every single day, there's a new one or more that he's having to deal with.
Speaker B:And he's still able to.
Speaker B:Like, that's terrifying to me because I can't get away from it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I can't just go to an island somewhere and say, nope, I'm gonna stay here from now on.
Speaker B:They'll find a way to come to the island.
Speaker B:Then I gotta go back and fix all their.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:And so that's what's terrifying to me more so than even the realistic aspect of it is the fact that because I'm a. I'm a.
Speaker B:You know, I'm a big scaredy cat.
Speaker B:But I'm also a big believer in don't.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, just stay over there and we're good.
Speaker B:And having that added into where it doesn't work like that for Haley Joel Osman.
Speaker B:Like, sorry, you're just.
Speaker B:No, yeah.
Speaker B:That's what's terrifying.
Speaker B:To me, because I.
Speaker B:Now you've crossed that line into where I'm not asking for it anymore.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Or I'm not trying to seek this out or I'm not doing anything.
Speaker B:I'm just trying to live my life and get the away.
Speaker B:Don't need your spooky waking me up in the middle of the night.
Speaker B:Oh, man,
Speaker A:it's so good, dude.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:It's like I can't even praise it enough.
Speaker A:I really can't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because it hits you from all different levels.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because we have both different things.
Speaker B:We're both creeped out in different ways, watching the same exact movie, the same exact stuff.
Speaker B:And that's not even all the angles you could hit it from.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so it's.
Speaker B:It's just well thought out.
Speaker B:But the.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a little bit sad too.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I'll say it's sad.
Speaker B:Sad for M. Night Shah Alaman, because he's got the.
Speaker B:His best movies are those with the twist.
Speaker B:And his twists are so good that they stick with you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it ruins pretty much all the rewatch ability.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Because that.
Speaker A:Or if he doesn't get the twist
Speaker B:quite right, then it sucks.
Speaker B:It's just like almost a coin flip for the point guy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To make it land.
Speaker B:But when it lands, it's amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The problem is it's almost like when you succeed, you also fail.
Speaker B:Because now everybody's seen it once, you don't really need to see it again.
Speaker B:Or if you watch it again, going through it, you're kind of like, I know what happens.
Speaker B:This or this.
Speaker B:And now you're starting to really nitpick into stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And if you start nitpicking into his films, like he really relies on that twist and so you can start poking.
Speaker B:Well, that doesn't sense.
Speaker A:Make.
Speaker B:That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so it's, It's.
Speaker B:It almost sucks because if he.
Speaker B:If he messes up, he just gets ringed for it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Everybody alive has drug his name through the mud for some movie that he did.
Speaker B:If he gets it right, he's praised for about 30 seconds because then you can't watch it again because you know what's happening.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Oh, I've poo pooed the out of M. Night Shyamalan so many times.
Speaker A:And here's the sad part.
Speaker A:It's because.
Speaker A:And I feel bad sometimes when I think about it.
Speaker A:It's because this was his first major film.
Speaker A:He did two films before this one that were like Little indie films that were religious based, right?
Speaker A:They were very not well received.
Speaker A:They didn't do anything outside of his little circle.
Speaker A:But then he did this and he just stormed onto the scene and then immediately followed it up because he was already working on it the next year with Unbreakable, which again, was just as good, in my opinion, in very different ways.
Speaker A:But that was another twist where I was like, get the out.
Speaker A:I didn't see that coming either, right?
Speaker A:So, and then.
Speaker A:And then he up, he made the Village and it was like, I saw that in theater and I walked out 20 minutes in because I went, I already know what the happened.
Speaker A:I know everything.
Speaker A:I figured that out in 10 minutes.
Speaker A:And I went, okay, I get this movie sucks.
Speaker A:And so everything that made it interesting was gone for me.
Speaker A:And so it was like he gets a bad rap because his movies rely so much on a certain thing and he can either get it perfect like he does in a couple of few films, or he doesn't get it right and it.
Speaker A:It tanks the whole film.
Speaker A:Or he makes movies that don't need a twist and don't have a twist at all.
Speaker A:Like lady in the Water.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:He tries to add one.
Speaker A:That too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or yeah, he does something with.
Speaker A:But like lady in the Water doesn't have a twist.
Speaker A:Technically, the alien ones doesn't have a twist, really, other than the fact that it's water.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:And then that weird, though, really weird one.
Speaker A:What's the one he did with the.
Speaker A:Oh, God, it's terrible.
Speaker A:I should pull it up.
Speaker A:It's with Wahlberg in it where the Air is.
Speaker A:Oh, what is the name of that movie?
Speaker B:I don't remember.
Speaker A:Gosh dang it.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:The Happening Happening.
Speaker A:The Happening, where it's like, yeah, everybody's knocking themselves off and it turns out it's like the Air or something stupid.
Speaker A:It was terrible, terrible movie.
Speaker A:But that's.
Speaker A:That's the weird thing with Shyamalan.
Speaker A:It's either amazing or it's horrid.
Speaker A:There's no in between with him, I don't think personally.
Speaker B:So there's never any.
Speaker B:Just like, yeah, it's all right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And another weird thing with him too is like, sometimes these movies are going really well and then it goes off the rails and you're like, what?
Speaker A:How?
Speaker A:What were you thinking?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:And so, yeah, but like, he's done.
Speaker A:We ought to say.
Speaker A:I was going to talk about a couple more of his, but we ought to save him and just do an M. Night.
Speaker A:Shyamalan month.
Speaker A:Let's try add that to the topic so everybody can vote on that.
Speaker A:But because he's got some interesting ones that are interesting to talk about, whether they're good or bad.
Speaker A:Just nobody vote for the Village because that movie sucks.
Speaker B:You know, it's going to be on my list.
Speaker A:It's so bad.
Speaker A:So bad.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker A:Should we rate it?
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker A:All right, boss.
Speaker A:Your movie, you're first.
Speaker B:My movie, I'm first.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna give it a five.
Speaker B:It goes against pretty much every single bone in my body to give a movie that's this close to what I hate, a five.
Speaker B:But I mean, there, there it's an issue if this, this has been making the rounds, especially like on social media, as people are giving away the twist.
Speaker B:This movie came out 26 years ago.
Speaker B:The fact that it is still being talked about as one of, if not the greatest twist in cinema history.
Speaker B:You gotta give it a 5.
Speaker B:It does such a good job setting it up.
Speaker B:Everything falls into place.
Speaker B:Everything has an organizational reason.
Speaker B:You get to the end and you go, no way.
Speaker B:Just so well done.
Speaker B:So it's a five for me.
Speaker B:Me, I will say, I know I will watch it again, but I do not seek this movie out to go watch it for funsies.
Speaker B:It's not that great of a movie.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:I'm gonna give it a five as well.
Speaker A:Listen, this movie, when I think of movies that we.
Speaker A:I've given fives before, like, this one is arguably, I say they're fives because I love them and I think they're perfect.
Speaker A:For me, this is a movie that, in my opinion, it's a five.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's a damn near perfect, if not perfect, movie, and everyone should feel that way.
Speaker A:Like, you may not love it from, like a storytelling perspective because you're.
Speaker A:You don't like scary or you don't like Bruce Willis or you think Haley Joel Osmond's a piece of.
Speaker A:Because he's not a great actor.
Speaker B:You're wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:He's not a.
Speaker A:He's not a phenomenal actor as an adult.
Speaker A:Let's be honest.
Speaker B:He was great as a kid, but
Speaker A:as a kid actor, he was.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:In my opinion, he triggered the.
Speaker A:Because we have some.
Speaker A:And we talk about on this podcast 100 times.
Speaker A:There's some phenomenal kid actors out there.
Speaker A:He, I think, laid some of the groundwork for the f. The future of child acting to show that there can be some outrageous performances.
Speaker A:And I don't think he got enough credit.
Speaker A:I think he should have won some awards for this because he was outrageous in this movie.
Speaker A:But I do, I think it's a perfect movie.
Speaker A:I think the storytelling is great.
Speaker A:I think the twist is phenomenal, the acting's insane, the dialogue is just amazing.
Speaker A:There's very little in this movie that I nitpick until I had seen it once.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Watching it the first time, I was absolutely flabbergasted because I was so confused by what was going on and why were we going through this, like where are we going with this?
Speaker A:And then to find out that this isn't just some doctor helping a child.
Speaker A:This is like a doctor helping a child who needs this child's help.
Speaker A:And it's the first time that the child hasn't been so afraid of this person that he sees that's dead.
Speaker A:And the fact that he let this dude do like, and didn't tell him like, there's so many nuances to this movie.
Speaker A:This is, these are the things that I talk about because even on my second, third, fifth millionth watch, I see things in this film that I didn't catch the first time, I didn't catch the 50th time, I didn't catch the hundredth time that add value to this movie and the story that it tells.
Speaker A:And so there are very few movies and I watch a lot of movies and I watch a lot of movies over again.
Speaker A:And so there's very few that have that ability to still have me catch something a hundred times later and then still have the same level of respect even though I know what's happening like it's wild.
Speaker A:So yeah, definitely a five for me.
Speaker A:I will watch this movie anytime and I love watching with people that have never seen it before and know nothing about it, which is hard to find anymore.
Speaker A:Back in 99 it was so easy because social media didn't exist.
Speaker A:So unless you're at friend was an asshole and fucking spoiled it for you, in which case you should have punched them in the face and if you didn't back then, go punch them now.
Speaker A:Because again I say it.
Speaker A:Just like I said at the beginning.
Speaker A:What breaks my heart about this movie is that I can never get that feeling of awe again that I had in the theater as an 18 year old kid that I went, what?
Speaker A:I walked out and I looked at my buddy and I went, the fuck did we just watch?
Speaker A:And we were like talking about it for weeks, telling everybody, go see this movie.
Speaker A:You have to go see this movie.
Speaker A:I don't give A shit.
Speaker A:Like we would have dragged your ass.
Speaker A:Because we would have been like, I know you don't want to because it's scary.
Speaker A:You have to see this movie.
Speaker B:Well, the thing you.
Speaker B:I don't think the trailer would have led to the scary.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker B:Because again.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I'm going back, way back where you'd have the trailer like before movie.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Coming soon.
Speaker B:The dvd.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And the worst that you get is like the most iconic line in the movie.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Which is still talked about.
Speaker B:I see dead people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they don't know they're dead.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Type of a thing.
Speaker B:But you never get clued into the little bit of scary.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because it's.
Speaker B:It's not something like you're dragging me to see the Exorcist.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:In which case you're gonna be dragging me in there with a couple bloody appendages.
Speaker B:Nose gone.
Speaker A:Damage.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:You're missing a couple teeth type of thing.
Speaker B:But this would be one where especially if you'd seen it, like, hey, heads up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:This is coming because I. I can tell when it's coming.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The fact that it's.
Speaker B:Oh, hey, it's here and gone.
Speaker B:Oh, okay, cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Type of a thing.
Speaker B:Then it's the aftermath of it is fine.
Speaker B: But in: Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Good luck getting me out past my bedtime.
Speaker A:I forget you're so goddamn young.
Speaker A:I just graduated high school when this movie, like, I. Yeah, it was the summer I graduated high school.
Speaker B:Summer after any showing, it would have been past my bedtime.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's fair.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:That's wild.
Speaker A:Dude.
Speaker A:Every time you.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:Matt's in, both you guys would talk about, like.
Speaker A:And he's only 10 years.
Speaker A:Like, you're more than that.
Speaker A:You're like 13.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:Almost like, I'm like, jesus, how do you guys it.
Speaker A:This is wild.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I. I remember going and seeing it and just about peeing myself at how good it was.
Speaker A:So there it is.
Speaker A:The Sixth Sense.
Speaker A:I always love how people up the name of it because they talked.
Speaker A:The Sixth Sense.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:God damn it.
Speaker A:Six.
Speaker A:There's a in there stupid English language.
Speaker A:All right, Alec, tell everybody where they can find us when they're.
Speaker A:We're not talking about helping ghosts.
Speaker B:Happy to.
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Speaker A:It's Friday.
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