The Evil Dead (1981)
The principal theme of this podcast episode revolves around the examination of the iconic horror film "Evil Dead," directed by Sam Raimi and released in 1983. We delve into the film's profound impact on the horror genre, exploring its narrative centered on a group of friends whose ill-fated excursion to a secluded cabin leads to the unintentional unleashing of malevolent forces. Both co-hosts, J.J. Crowder and Alec Burgess, engage in a candid dialogue regarding their respective reactions to the film, highlighting the visceral terror it evokes, particularly in the context of its low-budget production and rudimentary special effects. The discourse extends to the cultural ramifications of the film, noting its enduring legacy and the subsequent expansion of its franchise, which includes sequels and a television adaptation. Ultimately, our conversation encapsulates a critical analysis of "Evil Dead," situating it within the broader landscape of cinematic horror while reflecting on personal experiences and the intrinsic fears it elicits.
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Yeah, like the whole when they're.
Speaker A:When they're finding stuff in the attic and they're pushing play like you morons deserve everything that's happening to you right now.
Speaker B:Welcome to the what's up everybody podcast, where we fashion ourselves cinematic judge and jury.
Speaker B:My name is J.J. crowder.
Speaker B:I'm here with my co host, Alec Burgess.
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Speaker A:Dude,.
Speaker B:I went ahead and built it and forgot to switch it.
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:Oh, here we go.
Speaker B:All right, back to it.
Speaker B:That was so funny too.
Speaker B:Now I expect the joke.
Speaker B:I'm gonna have to fake laugh.
Speaker B:It caught me so off guard too.
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Welcome to the what's Up Every podcast where we fashion ourselves cinematic judge and jury.
Speaker B:My name is JJ Crowder with my co host, Alec Burgess.
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Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Though I will.
Speaker A:See if it isn't the consequences of my own actions.
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Speaker B:But yeah, we're week four.
Speaker B:I get payback.
Speaker B:This is payback.
Speaker B:For a lot of early part of this year.
Speaker B:And it was beautiful when NC17 got chosen because this was at the top of my list.
Speaker B:But we're doing the Evil Dead.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was written and directed by Sam Raimi.
Speaker B:It stars Bruce Campbell, Ellen Signweiss, Sandweiss, Richard Demanicore, Demand Nincor.
Speaker B:God damn these names.
Speaker B:Betsy Baker, Teresa Tilly, Philip Gillis, Dorothy Taper, Cheryl Gutridge and Ivan Ramey as long as well as Ted Raimi.
Speaker B:So the whole Raimi family was involved.
Speaker B:And with that, it was about five friends who traveled to a cabin in the woods where they unknowingly release fresh flesh possessing demons.
Speaker B:Alec, I'm sure is scarred for a little while from this one.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, just a bit.
Speaker B:And I chose this 100% to be.
Speaker A:A dick to Alec, which I deserved.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:But I'm still not happy about it.
Speaker B:Of course not.
Speaker B:And I would be sad if you were happy about it because that's happened to me before where I try to with you and you're like, this was awesome.
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:I knew for a fact this was not going to be that case.
Speaker B:But I didn't know how bad it was going to with you.
Speaker B:So I'm excited to hear about that.
Speaker B:But I chose this 100 to with you and because it's an iconic movie, whether you like it or not.
Speaker B:Like, if you're a horror fan, I mean, it's, it's iconic and it's lasted the test of time.
Speaker B:It's got two sequels, it's got a remake plus two sequels, two or three sequels to the remake.
Speaker B:It's got its own TV show that was tied directly to the actual original trilogy.
Speaker B:Listen, this thing goes on and on.
Speaker B:It launched Sam Raimi into the stratosphere.
Speaker B:He doesn't do the Spider man trilogy with Toby Maguire without this movie launching his career in these movies.
Speaker B:So huge, huge cultural icon, if you will, from a horror standpoint.
Speaker B:So I was really glad to introduce you to it from that.
Speaker B:Because of your absolute hatred of horror movies.
Speaker B:I was like, we might as well.
Speaker A:Not unfounded hatred either.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker A:Valid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And this one, really, even though it's got some shitty 80s makeup effects and stuff like that, it's.
Speaker B:It's still a up movie.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It'll get you, like, it'll keep you up at night if you have any kind of aversion to horror and, and gore and you know, like the whole possession and satanic stuff and like.
Speaker B:Yeah, the necronomicon and all that fun.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I thoroughly enjoy the.
Speaker B:Out of this.
Speaker B:So this is.
Speaker B:There was.
Speaker B:That is an added bonus.
Speaker B:But, yeah, that's why I picked it.
Speaker B:So I'm curious, how did this go for you, Alec?
Speaker A:See now, terrible.
Speaker A:First of all, I. I've seen Ash versus the Evil Dead.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Very different.
Speaker A:Funny.
Speaker A:Very different.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hard to believe.
Speaker A:The same universe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Campbell does a great job.
Speaker A:Funny.
Speaker A:I enjoyed it.
Speaker A:I chuckled, even didn't have to wash my fingers.
Speaker A:This piece of.
Speaker A:It was bad.
Speaker A:And now there.
Speaker A:There were points where I, you know, found my safe haven.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Where I do that thing that I do where I find one little tidbit of a movie and I'm like, good.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like the whole.
Speaker A:When they're.
Speaker A:When they're finding stuff in the attic and they're pushing play like, you morons deserve everything that's happening to you.
Speaker A:Right now.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm 100.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:At this point, because I've already left.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm gone.
Speaker A:But what got me was the laughing, those early signs of what's to come and, like, the manic element.
Speaker A:Because that's the point where, especially if, like, you know, like, let's say you and I went to a cabin in the woods type of a thing, right?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:And you start doing that little bit of laughing, we'll be like, yeah, right.
Speaker A:Because there's.
Speaker A:There's enough there where I'm like, hey, it could just like, you're just laughing too much at something.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Type of a thing.
Speaker A:But there's also always going to be that.
Speaker A:What's going on with J.J. yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But it's not enough to make me like, bye, bye, and start booking it, like, hasta luego.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But so that.
Speaker A:That threw me for a loop where I was sitting there going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you have this kind of the.
Speaker A:The laughing back and forth.
Speaker A:And that threw me for a loop.
Speaker A:And then you had your typical chore tropes where you're like, don't split up.
Speaker A:That's a terrible idea.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or, why are you doing that?
Speaker A:Don't go searching for a fuse box by yourself.
Speaker A:That kind of stuff that we all know.
Speaker A:And, you know, the fact that it's like, oh, there's something that's wrong, but let's keep investigating.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The Scooby Doo syndrome type of a thing.
Speaker A:And so it was plenty where I was like, okay, that's typical horror.
Speaker A:But there was so much in here where I was like, son of a. Yeah.
Speaker A:And so the, the creepy one that got me, the actual like visual was coming up into the floor.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Because at that point, you.
Speaker A:You kind of know the stakes of what you're dealing with.
Speaker A:And all my typical defenses are out the window.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Too late to leave.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Bridges out.
Speaker A:Didn't know.
Speaker A:But too late to leave.
Speaker A:Can't fight it.
Speaker A:I don't even know what it is.
Speaker A:And they're so.
Speaker A:Yeah, not even the woods are safe at that point.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:Does a good job of kind of leading down to my uncomfortable place.
Speaker A:Put it that way.
Speaker A:It was like I'd find like, oh, here's my armor.
Speaker A:I was sitting here.
Speaker A:And then it's like, nope, you don't get that anymore.
Speaker A:It's like, okay, I'll hide under this.
Speaker A:Nope, that don't work anymore either.
Speaker A:And so every kind of safe haven or refuge I was able to put myself in got yoinked away relatively soon afterwards.
Speaker A:And then I was back in not fun land.
Speaker B:Hello.
Speaker B:When did you watch this?
Speaker A:Not a good time, jj.
Speaker A:Oh, I. I watched it at night because I.
Speaker B:And was it recent that you watched it?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it was two nights ago.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:So you've been fucked up for a couple days.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, I'm at the point in my career and everything where I'm pretty much just at home by myself all day long during the day.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, you know, it's.
Speaker A:It's not a pleasant experience.
Speaker A:I haven't gone outside and I'm never going outside again.
Speaker A:But there's like nothing I can do to distract myself, really, because it's.
Speaker A:It's always lurking in the back.
Speaker B:I wish I was close.
Speaker B:I'd go sneak into your apartment and get like a piece of paper and hide it under like your coffee table or something so it looks like there's a face.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, the problem out of the trap.
Speaker A:Door, the problem is so I have one of those active imaginations that see stuff where they're not.
Speaker A:So I've had it, you know.
Speaker A:Well, in our bedroom we'll have our ropes hanging up on hooks.
Speaker A:I full on woken up and freak myself out because I'm not seeing a robe.
Speaker A:I'm seeing some dude that's eight feet tall.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or I've had it before as well, where, you know, closet door will be open.
Speaker A:But I thought I closed it.
Speaker A:And in my mind I know I closed it.
Speaker A:Sure, I didn't, but I know I did.
Speaker A:And so now I'm thinking, shit, closet Doors open.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Opened the closet door.
Speaker A:Or it's even happened where my wife has opened it because we'll go to sleep at different times sometimes.
Speaker A:So I'll be knocked out.
Speaker A:And then she'll, like, get in the closet or whatever.
Speaker A:She won't close the door.
Speaker A:And then I wake up and then it's just like instant spine tingling, cringe, tense up.
Speaker A:Why is that?
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker A:And so then my.
Speaker A:My brain doesn't just go to, oh, my wife.
Speaker A:Which must have opened the closet.
Speaker A:Or maybe I forgot to do it.
Speaker A:Now my.
Speaker A:My brain goes to.
Speaker A:There's a ghost in here.
Speaker B:There's a Damn.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's a demon.
Speaker A:There's not a nice ghost either.
Speaker A:And just, you know, malevolent.
Speaker A:And then, of course, it just spirals from there until I'm terrified and can't go back to sleep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because then what my brain does, because my brain loves me, is it won't even go to.
Speaker A:It won't stay in, like, the most recent.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I. I won't have nightmares about the evil dead, per se.
Speaker A:That's where they start.
Speaker A:And then everything I buried comes back, like, sinister.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because I'll try and distract myself.
Speaker A:Like, don't think about it, don't think about it, don't think about it.
Speaker A:And then my brain's like, okay, here, we'll upload this memory of Sinister.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Okay, that was a good switch again.
Speaker A:And then it'll go.
Speaker A:And then it'll be like, oh, you remember when you did this when you were 12, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'll be like, oh, God, no, no, no.
Speaker A:And then it'll just, like, circle back.
Speaker A:And now.
Speaker A:Now I'm thinking about the Ring.
Speaker A:Or I'm thinking about one of the other half dozen movies that you've made me watch over the years.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It doesn't just stick with what's most recent.
Speaker A:That's where it starts.
Speaker A:And then as I try and distract myself, it's like, oh, well, you haven't fully lived through this yet.
Speaker B:That's so funny.
Speaker A:You buried it too quick.
Speaker A:So remember in Sinister where the kids are running around and he can't see him, but he knows you?
Speaker A:They're there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, thank you for that.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker B:You get.
Speaker B:You get caught in what we call in my house, the sequential vortex.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:That's a good way to put it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Where just one thing leads to another.
Speaker B:The next thing you know, you're curled up in a ball with a blanket over your head.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Dude, this.
Speaker B:Listen, there is a lot with this movie that is terrible, like, because of where.
Speaker B:I mean, it was.
Speaker B:I was, I wasn't even.
Speaker B:I was like a month old.
Speaker B:I was less than a month old when this was born.
Speaker B:When this came out, right?
Speaker B:So, came out in the middle of April.
Speaker B:I was born at the last day of March in 81.
Speaker B:So I didn't see this until I was much older.
Speaker B:And by much older I mean like 10 or 12, because that was when I got on my first horror kick.
Speaker B:And I was like, well, I like this stuff.
Speaker B:So I started watching this and I watched this one and I was like.
Speaker B:And as a kid I was like, this is stupid because the, the makeup in the 80s was kind of bad, right?
Speaker B:Like it had, it was like, what the hell?
Speaker B:It's more scary now as an adult to me than it was when I was a kid because I didn't understand the nuance of the relationship turns and like the lack of like that existential dread that you get when there's abs.
Speaker B:Because you mentioned there's nothing you can do.
Speaker B:Like, you're stuck.
Speaker B:People are turning into freaking demon zombie looking things and they're trying to kill you, eat you, take your soul.
Speaker B:And there's no way out.
Speaker B:There's no bridge.
Speaker B:There's no, you can't, you're gonna get lost in the woods.
Speaker B:You can't get away.
Speaker B:And so as an adult, that fear was much stronger than when I was a kid.
Speaker B:When I was a kid, I was like, well, I'd never go to a cabin like that anyway, or I would never.
Speaker B:And look her face.
Speaker B:I can tell that they put that silly putty that I get for Halloween on it.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, it's like there was a level of like disbelief when I was a kid, but as an adult, this movie like, will you up as you know,.
Speaker A:Because it's like I'm fully aware at this point.
Speaker B:And there's no let up in this movie either.
Speaker B:Like, a lot of horror movies have like really intense sequences of gore, fear, terror, whatever.
Speaker B:And then it lets up.
Speaker B:This movie, once it gets cooking, there's no.
Speaker B:Even when nothing's happening, something's happening because you know you're.
Speaker B:They're stuck.
Speaker B:It's not like there's a way to escape.
Speaker B:Like a lot of movies, the way they do it is you feel like, oh, they're gonna get away.
Speaker B:And you're like, okay, so I can be calm because they're, they're safe.
Speaker B:No, this movie, there's no safety.
Speaker B:You're stuck in a cabin in the woods where the trees can be the problem and vines can be the problem.
Speaker B:And you know, you're.
Speaker B:Because you read the Necronomicon.
Speaker B:You played the record that lets the Necronomicon be read, and you're just like, oh, God, all the things.
Speaker B:And unless you're willing to sever a hand or do some weird, like, you're stuck and you're done.
Speaker B:And even then, you could very well be done because even though there's mass chainsaw action and like, that going on, like, we never see the hap.
Speaker B:Like, and obviously there's a second one.
Speaker B:So we see it at that point.
Speaker B:But, like, Ash could be stuck.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, so it's like.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's the.
Speaker B:It's a whole vibe where you're just like, we're cooked.
Speaker B:And they don't make horror like that anymore.
Speaker B:And they barely made it back then.
Speaker B:But this one makes you super uncomfortable because you're like, there's no way to get away from this.
Speaker B:And then ironically, in the second and third one, they go full comedy with it, right?
Speaker B:So it's like, less.
Speaker B:There's some scary elements, but it's more funny where this one has no comedy whatsoever.
Speaker B:Like, there's very.
Speaker B:The only reason that there's any funny is because Bruce Campbell just is funny.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But it's not purposeful and it's more out of like, please, God, let me laugh at something because I'm so tense right now than it is, like an actual comedy style thing.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But yeah, this was one of the first movies that really kind of was like, oh, this is up.
Speaker B:And even though, like, the.
Speaker B:The makeup and the graphics and, like, some of the shit's a little goofy and you can tell it's wonky and very low budget, it still does a really good job of playing on those fear strings where you're like, this is not good.
Speaker B:The are you doing here?
Speaker B:Why did you read that?
Speaker B:Why did you play that record, you dumb.
Speaker A:Well, that's.
Speaker A:That's the thing.
Speaker A:So that's what got me, right?
Speaker A:Because I. I can sit here all day and be like, I ain't reading no dumb book, right?
Speaker A:And you can't make me.
Speaker A:There is nothing you can do to make me read the book.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But this record that I know for sure you would play.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, that's the thing is that now I don't have any control over it.
Speaker A:Especially since this record can be heard, like, throughout the cabin, right?
Speaker A:So Now I gotta put all the faith into you.
Speaker A:And I know you, right.
Speaker B:I'm spinning that I might even read the book out loud.
Speaker B:Really loud.
Speaker A:You're putting it on repeat.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:So that added a whole.
Speaker A:Another layer that you don't really see with horror movies in general is that it's.
Speaker A:It's almost always willing participation.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You are the one who's involving yourself, which is why some of your shit hasn't worked with me.
Speaker A:Because I'd be like, well, guess what, buddy?
Speaker A:Doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker A:Yeah, but this is more.
Speaker A:Far more.
Speaker A:You're guilty by association.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And even just hearing it or being present while it's being read is enough to drag you in with everybody else.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And at that point, I'm cooked.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because, you know, I. I'm not gonna read it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I can even try and go hide in the woods, not listen, apparently it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:But at the same time, I'm also not so much of a like, no, jj, you can't do that type of thing.
Speaker A:It's like, do whatever the you want.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Don't involve me, but do whatever the you want.
Speaker A:And in this.
Speaker A:In this, that don't work.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're done.
Speaker B:You're done.
Speaker B:You're done.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so all that goes out the window.
Speaker A:And that's where the real fear comes in.
Speaker A:It's like now.
Speaker A:Now for me, anyway, because now it's not like, oh, guess what?
Speaker A:I didn't do it.
Speaker A:Like, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm freeing in the clear.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, it's like, jj, this is your fault.
Speaker A:I can't slip away.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You tried me into this with you.
Speaker A:Thank you for that.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I. I'm blaming you because you're here.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But of course, my wife is the exact same person as you are, and so she'd do the stupid stuff, too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's the point where I. I've told her, like, I'll never divorce you.
Speaker A:Except for, like, three reasons.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:One of them is if I find out you were using a Ouija board.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Second one is if I ever figure out that while we've been living together, you've done the Bloody Mary thing in the mirror.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, third one just got added.
Speaker B:Play a record in the cabin.
Speaker A:Record in the cabin.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:I was like, those are really the only things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's not so much I divorce you, It's.
Speaker A:I would leave and you would have no idea.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Like, I would drop because she likes the spooky stuff.
Speaker A:And she did a lot of spooky stuff while growing up.
Speaker A:And I'm Someone's like, yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm not messing with nothing.
Speaker A:Because she'll be.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We started playing a game a while ago called phasmophobia.
Speaker A:Oh, Gary.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Scary as.
Speaker A:Scary as.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But she loves it.
Speaker A:And so one of those things is, you know, one of the kind of mechanics is you can play with a Ouija board to bring the ghost out.
Speaker A:And she, she's like, oh, Ouija board.
Speaker A:And like put it down.
Speaker A:Like even in a video game.
Speaker A:I'm not messing with the Ouija board.
Speaker B:So funny.
Speaker A:I'm like, we're gonna do this old fashioned way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We're gonna go find the ghost.
Speaker A:We're gonna lower everything we can to find the ghost.
Speaker A:And then I'm hiding in the closet.
Speaker A:I was like, you want to go mess with Ouija board?
Speaker A:You go mess with Ouija board.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And, and it's a video game and I. Yeah.
Speaker A:I am adamantly like not touching the Ouija board.
Speaker A:Not going near the Ouija board.
Speaker B:That's so funny.
Speaker A:But in this.
Speaker A:The reason why it's so soul rending terrifying is that it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:I didn't, I didn't read the book.
Speaker A:I didn't pick up the book.
Speaker A:I didn't touch the book.
Speaker A:I might not even know the book has existed because you went hunting in the attic or the basement to go find whatever you could find.
Speaker A:And then you start.
Speaker B:It's also amazing to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, what's this?
Speaker A:Push play.
Speaker A:And now there's a new door.
Speaker A:And all of a sudden, because I had to take a.
Speaker A:On the way up to the cabin, I'm cursed for all eternity because I can hear it coming through the vents.
Speaker B:Oh, that's the.
Speaker B:That's our cold open right there.
Speaker B:That was the funniest thing because I forgot to take a. Yeah.
Speaker A:Now I'm.
Speaker A:I'm Dan for all eternity because of ibs.
Speaker B:That is so good.
Speaker B:Yeah, dude.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker B:It's up.
Speaker B:And that's another thing that I get.
Speaker B:Like here's.
Speaker B:And here's another piece that I. I think a lot of people don't think about when they think about this movie because they get so caught up in the weird visuals and some of the, in the weird choices they make in the storyline.
Speaker B:But the fact that it's your best friends and girlfriend and like.
Speaker B:And you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, that's another One, like, a lot of times horror movies make it so it's like strangers is strangers or people that don't like each other from, like high school or from.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:The bullied is the one who falls first.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so they come together because they are stuck in this situation.
Speaker B:This is not the case.
Speaker B:And I think it adds a wicked element that this is like, these are people that care about each other and they are stuck in this relationship or in this situation where their relationships are tested.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, like, you have to realize that, like, because Ash makes some really silly choices at first, right?
Speaker B:Because it's.
Speaker B:It's his girl.
Speaker B:And you're like, oh, don't do it, dude.
Speaker B:But I get it too, because, like, I would have a hard time because I'm who I am, like, And I'm not necessarily like.
Speaker B:But I. I can't say that I wouldn't be like, oh, let's let her out.
Speaker B:Like, we can figure it out.
Speaker B:We can tire when you're asked.
Speaker B:And I feel like you'd be the one that'd be like, sorry, Oshi, you're stuck in the basement.
Speaker B:Like, three things.
Speaker A:Did you mess with the Ouija board?
Speaker A:Did you play some stupid record?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, you Bloody Mary.
Speaker A:And they answered a yes to any of those three.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, that.
Speaker B:That cabin hatch is staying closed because.
Speaker B:But I would have a hard time because, like, there's an established.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Relationship with everyone involved in this group to the point of either a relationship or family, and you're stuck.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:That adds complication to.
Speaker B:And a welcome complication for someone like me who loves horror movies because it creates another level of existential dread here.
Speaker B:Because now not only am I trying to protect myself, but in order to do that, I have to do everything that I can to walk away from people that I love and care about.
Speaker B:That's horrid.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And in the worst possible situation, like, because, let's be honest, they all look like when they turn.
Speaker B:That can't be comfortable and fun and enjoyable.
Speaker B:Like, you get those moments where you're like, how do I just walk away from this?
Speaker B:Or how do I take down my best friend?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Or kill my brother or my cousin or my boyfriend or my girlfriend.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's just, man, it's a up extra level that a lot of movies, horror movies give you that out of not tying them together that much and creating that sense of discomfort because you're like, this one leans full on into it.
Speaker B:Like, there is no good solution in this movie at all.
Speaker B:None.
Speaker B:There's no out whatsoever.
Speaker B:It's all by a fluke that it ends up getting turned right and.
Speaker B:And figured out at the end.
Speaker B:Which it doesn't actually when you get into the next two.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:He's still for.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:But it's just uncomfortable as for sure.
Speaker B:And scary.
Speaker B:Like, it's creepy.
Speaker B:And the vine like to treat them out.
Speaker B:Like that's a.
Speaker B:That's a whole nother additional level of like, I don't want to go in the woods because I don't want to get caught in brambles that are gonna do unpleasant to me.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And that's where it was like everything that I was like checking off my list of oh, I'll just do this was joined away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You thought so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Almost as soon as I finished writing it down mentally.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And just like up, man.
Speaker A:That plans out.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's a mind.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it will continue to be so.
Speaker A:Because now it's in that vortex thing that's.
Speaker B:Yeah, the sequential vortex, baby.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's gonna be played in.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Move right up to the second spot.
Speaker B:So I have this question.
Speaker B:As someone that gets up by horror quite a bit, did the.
Speaker B:Did the shitty makeup like, detract from you at all or did the fact.
Speaker B:The feel and the like the.
Speaker B:I can't think of like the environmental issues make up and just kind of black that part out for you?
Speaker A:A little bit of the segments.
Speaker A:I don't notice it like at all.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:So I will.
Speaker A:Like in Ash vs.
Speaker A:The Evil Dead, I noticed stuff like that or in some.
Speaker A:In other stuff I can pay attention.
Speaker A:But if I'm up, it is like the cortisol levels.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Are out of control.
Speaker A:And it is.
Speaker A:I don't even.
Speaker A:I can't even recall what it looks like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All I know is that it was terrifying.
Speaker A:And you could like show me a still image right now and that I still probably wouldn't be able to tell you what it looks like because it would just revert back and then I'd be right back in that fight or flight mode, which is always flight with me, by the way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're not any fight in there, but you get in that mode and so like I tune it out.
Speaker A:And so I. I don't notice it because it's that existential terror.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I'm.
Speaker A:I'm the perfect patsy for horror.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Because you can throw whatever you want up there, but and if the environment is okay, like to get me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not pulling anything apart, dissecting it, looking at it because I'm too terrified to even comprehend that that's someone in a costume.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That never crosses my mind.
Speaker B:Got it, got it.
Speaker B:No, I was curious because I.
Speaker B:A lot of people's complaint with it is, you know, they know it's a really good story and it's, it's a up horror movie but the makeup's terrible at some situations and like so a lot of times that pull and the budget is just horrid.
Speaker B:That's why it's in a cabin that they can't get away from because like I don't think they spent.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess I can.
Speaker B:Look, it's, it's not a big budget at all comparatively to.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, $350,000 budget.
Speaker B:It grossed almost 3 million.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Because Hoarder always does well.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So you take 350,000.
Speaker B:You couldn't even make a movie for 350,000.
Speaker B:I don't think it gets in a movie theater these days.
Speaker B:So it's like that's wild.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And to come out with such a good horror movie on that budget is wild.
Speaker B:So anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah, but so that it doesn't register.
Speaker B:So here's my next question with that and we're kind of off topic, but still in topic.
Speaker B:Is it worse when the makeup's good and like stuff like that, like, or is it all kind of like a level playing field?
Speaker B:But like I think about like the new version of this.
Speaker B:Still the same existent existential dread, almost a direct copy.
Speaker B: But it was made in the: Speaker B:Like and the, the graphics and the, the makeup is unbelievable comparatively.
Speaker B:So I'm wondering, does that add to the, the horribleness?
Speaker B:If it's better?
Speaker A:If it's better?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Because then I start because like the, and it might be the fact that at that point it, you're looking at it, it's like cgi.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so sometimes it's not even someone in the costume.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So even the movements are jacked up, messed up.
Speaker A:So when you have like the, the creepy like going on type of a thing like that imprints itself and so that adds to the terror.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But something like, you know the original it where you have Tim Curry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Pennywise, for instance.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, you don't have all the extra going off.
Speaker A:So I don't remember what Tim Curry's pairing wise looks like, but I know what Bill Scars Guards does because his mouth Opens.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's so good.
Speaker A:And so that adds to the actual terror.
Speaker A:And he does this weird lip.
Speaker A:And so you have all that does add.
Speaker A:Because it's gotten so much better.
Speaker A:That adds to the terror.
Speaker A:And when I go down my vortex, it just.
Speaker A:That's usually what hits me first.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is the Pennywise teeth or the Pennywise glowing eyes or.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, I'll tell you one that's.
Speaker A:That hit me not too long ago.
Speaker A:It was a couple weeks.
Speaker A:Is because you made me watch the episode the Pennywise Dairy welcome to Dairy.
Speaker B:Yeah, the welcome to Dairy.
Speaker A:And I watched it with Oshi and I told you even when it happened, like, Pennywise skipping across the ice.
Speaker A:That got me the other.
Speaker A:A couple weeks ago.
Speaker A:Just like, just.
Speaker A:And it's just that, like, creeping up tingle up your spine and the hair on the back.
Speaker A:Your neck stands up straight and I'm like, what?
Speaker A:And then boom.
Speaker A:I just get.
Speaker A:So it adds to it now, but older or if the budget's slow, things like that.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The terror is usually enough and I block out the imagery.
Speaker B:Sure, sure.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You should never watch the newest version, the remake of it, because there's a scene where the girl is like down in the basement thing and like, she has this knife, like a razor blade type thing, and she.
Speaker B:And she licks it.
Speaker B:And you see.
Speaker B:And they show it because they.
Speaker B:They added all the gore with great effects and makeup.
Speaker B:And you watch her tongue get split as she licks it.
Speaker B:And then you see it later, it's all split and it's horrid, dude.
Speaker B:So, yeah, imagine this movie, but with great graphics and.
Speaker B:And visual effects.
Speaker B:It'll you up.
Speaker B:And all of the newest versions of it are like that.
Speaker B:Like, they're just up, inescapable stories where you're stuck, you hear the Necronomicon or you read it, and then all of a sudden, like, mayhem breaks loose.
Speaker B:So y.
Speaker B:Should we rate it?
Speaker A:Let's do it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:My movie.
Speaker B:I'm gonna give it a three.
Speaker B:Look, this is one of those movies that twists me up because when it's good, it's amazing.
Speaker B:When it's bad, it's really bad.
Speaker B:And the budget did it no favors, but the story was well written and it was done in a way that negated a lot of the things that make you comfortable or give you some level of comfort, if you will, in a horror movie.
Speaker B:There's none of that in this.
Speaker B:Like, it is wall to wall uncomfortable even before.
Speaker B:Gets weird.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker B:There's a lot of like you drive up to this cabin, you're like, no, I would turn around.
Speaker B:Like, I've stayed in some shitty cabins before in my life.
Speaker B:This is not one of them that I'd be like, yeah, I'd get up there and go, nah, we're good, we should just.
Speaker B:And I'm a, let's go do some dumb guy.
Speaker B:As you've mentioned in this episode, this is a cabin I would pull up to and go, ah, I don't want to sleep here.
Speaker B:So it probably has more to do with the fact that that cabin's not keeping bears and out.
Speaker B:But let's, let's get the out of here.
Speaker B:And so like from the moment you start, like, this is just an uncomfortable movie and it's.
Speaker B:But it's well done.
Speaker B:I think the story, again, fight the ability to make a very effective horror movie with such a low budget and shitty makeup and effects.
Speaker B:That's how you know it was good writing and that the actors took it in and they made it scary and uncomfortable.
Speaker B:So I really enjoy it.
Speaker B:I will watch it again.
Speaker B:I love this movie because I love horror and I think this is one of the better ones that has ever been made as far as scary and intense.
Speaker B:So yeah, three for me because the makeup is horrid.
Speaker B:But the rest of it to me is just really, really good.
Speaker B:So tell us how you really feel, Alec.
Speaker A:So I, I'm gonna be not Alec for a sec.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:We're gonna give it a two and a half.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:Now, reason being is that I hated this movie.
Speaker A:I will never watch it again.
Speaker A:But it birthed quite the franchise.
Speaker A:And there's a part of that franchise that I can even enjoy, which is Ash versus Evil Dead.
Speaker A:That's pretty good.
Speaker A:So you have that to throw in there.
Speaker A:That, that's amazing.
Speaker A:And then you talk in low budget, but really masterfully done to the point where you've tried multiple times to get me on horror movies and even the big budget ones, I can get away.
Speaker A:Yeah, not in this one.
Speaker A:And that's, that's to be commended.
Speaker A:While at the same time hated and you know, not.
Speaker A:Not a fan of.
Speaker A:But I'll give it two and a half.
Speaker A:Give it right in the middle of the road.
Speaker A:But yeah, I will never be watching this again.
Speaker A:Nowhere close.
Speaker A:I will not be watching any Evil Dead except for Ash versus Evil Dead ever again.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, two and a half for me.
Speaker B:Fair enough.
Speaker B:I can't say that I blame you.
Speaker B:Like I said, even for me, it's a movie that I'm like, oh, that makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker B:And so if you can get me uncomfortable in a.
Speaker B:In a scary movie situation, you've done a pretty good job.
Speaker B:So I can only imagine.
Speaker B:I tried forever to get Javier to watch one of these.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He threatened to fight me.
Speaker B:So that tells you a little bit about that.
Speaker B:So, yeah, there it is.
Speaker B:Alec, tell everybody where they're.
Speaker B:Where they can find us.
Speaker B:When we're not trying to escape a.
Speaker A:Horrifically haunted cabin, don't come find us because you'll get sucked into it too, and then you'll be a part of it.
Speaker A:Stay away.
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Speaker B:Thanks, Alec.
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